Parliamentary Debates on Telangana Problem-01
05.08.2011 Uncorrected / Not for Publication
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(b2/1305/tkd-cs)
Telangana is an innocent baby. Being married to a mischievous boy, they should
live together for long and as much as they can. But if this innocent baby demands
a divorce, it should be granted. =ºÉ ÉÊnxÉ VÉ´ÉÉc® ãÉÉãÉ xÉäc°ô VÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉäãÉä cé +ÉÉè® +ÉÉVÉ =xÉBÉEÉÒ xÉ´ÉɺÉÉÒ,
+ÉÉVÉ =xÉBÉEÉÒ {ÉÉäiÉÉÒ ºÉÉäÉÊxɪÉÉ VÉÉÒ, càÉÉ®ÉÒ xÉ äiÉÉMÉhÉ, she is prepared to fulfil that commitment. She
understood that a lot of injustice has been done to the people of Telengana. They
are being treated as second class citizens of this country. They demand justice.
The development is not taking place there.… (Interruptions)
+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ : +ÉÉ{É |ɶxÉ {ÉÚÉÊUªÉä*
gÉÉÒ ºÉ´Éæ ºÉiªÉxÉɮɪÉhÉ (àÉãBÉEÉVÉÉÊMÉÉÊ®): càÉÉ®ä ¤ÉSSÉÉå BÉEä É ÊãÉA {ÉfÃÉ<Ç xÉcÉ Ó cè, càÉÉ®ä ¤ÉSSÉÉå BÉEä É ÊãÉA xÉÉèBÉEÉÊ®ªÉÉ Æ
xÉcÉÓ cé, càÉÉ®ä {ÉÉºÉ <Æbº]ÅÉÒ xÉcÉ Ó cè, càÉ +ÉÉè® £ÉÉÒ MÉ®É Ò¤É cé, <xxÉÉäºÉå] ãÉÉäMÉ cé, +ÉSUä ãÉÉäMÉ cé, càÉ c®-ABÉE BÉEÉä
àÉÉxÉiÉä cé, càÉÉ®ÉÒ BÉEɺàÉÉ ä{ÉÉìÉÊãÉ]äxÉ É ÊºÉSÉÖA¶ÉxÉ cè, càÉ ºÉ¤ÉBÉEÉä SÉÉciÉä cé* +ÉÉVÉ £ÉÉ Ò iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉE ä ÉʵÉEA¶ÉxÉ BÉEä ¤ÉÉn
£ÉÉÒ, we will allow everyone to stay in Telengana itself. We will not ask anybody to
go away from Telengana as KCR has said: ÞÞiÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ ´ÉÉãÉ ä VÉÉMÉÉä, +ÉÉxwÉÉ ´ÉÉãÉä £ÉÉMÉÉä*
Congress is not for the bhago slogan and we are not for bhago slogan. Everybody
should live. Why are we demanding Telengana? Telegana is for self-respect and
self-governance. The State wants a development. That is the reason we have been
demanding Telengana. A lot of people have laid down their lives. Even the hon.
Minister of Home Affairs has made the statement on 29th in both the Houses of
Parliament. Again, on 23rd there was a statement issued by the Government about
the people who have lost their lives. More than 600 people have lost their lives.
We are very sorry to say this. As Shrimati Sushmaji has rightly pointed out, one
person àÉcÉänªÉ, ´Éc ªÉÉbÉÒ ®äbÂbÉÒ 20 ºÉÉãÉ BÉEÉ ¤ÉSSÉÉ ÉÊVɺÉxÉä ªÉcÉ Æ +ÉÉBÉE® ºÉ ÖºÉÉ<b BÉE® ÉÊãɪÉÉ* {ÉÖÉÊãÉºÉ ´ÉÉãÉä,
xÉÉèBÉE®ÉÒ BÉE®xÉä ´ÉÉãÉä, BÉEÉ Æº]ä¤ÉãºÉ ¤ÉÉÒ´ÉÉÒ, ¤ÉSSÉÉå BÉEä ºÉÉàÉxÉä ¶É Ú] BÉE®BÉEä àÉ® MɪÉä ÉÊBÉE iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ xÉcÉ Ó +ÉɪÉäMÉÉ <ºÉÉÊãÉA
àÉé àÉ® ®cÉ cÚÆ* ãÉÉäMÉ <ºÉ iÉ®ÉÒBÉE ä ºÉä ºÉèµÉEÉ Ò{ÉEÉ<VÉ BÉE® ®cä cé* That was the reason in the last
Session we have created pandemonium here. We said, `yes, we will commit
suicide’ càÉ +É{ÉxÉ ä ¤ÉSSÉÉå BÉEÉä +ÉÉè® àÉ®iÉ ä xÉcÉÓ näJÉ åMÉä, iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ ãÉäBÉE® ®cåMÉä* As Bal Gangadhar Tilak
has said, “Swaraj is my birth right. I will have it”. Sarvey Satyanarayana and the
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Telangana people, SÉÉ® BÉE®Éä½ +ÉÉ´ÉÉàÉ +ÉÉVÉ ABÉE cÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEcäMÉÉ ÉÊBÉE iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ càÉÉ®É ¤ÉlÉÇ ®É<] cè* We
will have it and we will take it. The creation of separate Telangana is imminent. It
should be given and nobody can oppose that. Shrimati Sonia Gandhi is our Leader.
She has made up her mind to give Telengana. That was the only reason.…
(Interruptions)
+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ : +ÉÉ{É |ɶxÉ {ÉÚÉÊUªÉä*
gÉÉÒ ºÉ´Éæ ºÉiªÉxÉɮɪÉhÉ (àÉãBÉEÉVÉÉÊMÉÉÊ®): àÉcÉ änªÉÉ, iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ àÉå ãÉÉ äMÉ àÉ® ®cä cé* iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉÒ SÉÉ® BÉE®Éä½ +ÉÉ´ÉÉàÉ
BÉEÉÒ iÉ®{ÉE ºÉä càÉÉ®ä AàÉ{ÉÉ ÒWÉ xÉ ä É Ê®VÉÉ<xÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ iÉÉä +ÉÉ{É àÉÖZÉ ä ¤ÉÉäãÉxÉä BÉEÉ SÉÉÆºÉ nÉÒÉÊVÉA* àÉé ºÉÖ−ÉàÉÉ VÉÉÒ ÉÊVÉiÉxÉÉ
ºÉÉÒÉÊxɪɮ xÉcÉÓ cÚÆ, àÉé MÉÖ°ônÉºÉ nɺÉMÉÖ{iÉ VÉÉÒ £ÉÉÒ ÉÊVÉiÉxÉÉ ºÉÉ ÒÉ Êxɪɮ xÉcÉ Ó cÚÆ VÉÉä ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉE® ºÉBÉÚEÆ* Madam, I
must be in a position to give my presentation. +ÉÉVÉ ºÉÉ®É Ò nÖÉ ÊxɪÉÉ näJÉ ®cÉÒ cè ÉÊBÉE iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ àÉå
BÉDªÉÉ cÉäxÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ cè?
MADAM SPEAKER: I am giving you the chance. So, please ask your question.
gÉÉÒ ºÉ´Éæ ºÉiªÉxÉɮɪÉhÉ (àÉãBÉEÉVÉÉÊMÉÉÊ®): iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉ ä xªÉÉªÉ ÉÊàÉãÉäMÉÉ, iÉ äãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉä VÉÉ Îº]ºÉ É ÊàÉãÉäMÉÉ* BÉEÉ ÆOÉäºÉ
+ÉÉè® ªÉÚ{ÉÉ ÒA MÉ´ÉxÉ ÇàÉå] BÉEÉÒ iÉ®{ÉE ºÉä <ºÉàÉå ÉÊbãÉä cÉä ®cÉ cè, xÉÉ ä bÉ=], ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ <ƺÉÉ{ÉE VÉ°ô® É ÊàÉãÉäMÉÉ* =ºÉ
<ƺÉÉ{ÉE BÉE ä ´ÉɺiÉä càÉ ãɽ ®cä cé* MÉãÉiÉ º]ä]àÉå] +ÉÉxÉä BÉEÉÒ ´ÉVÉc ºÉä càÉÉ®ä ãÉÉäMÉ VÉÉxÉ nä ®cä cé +ÉÉè® <ºÉÉÒÉÊãÉA
ªÉc É ÊºÉSÉÖA¶ÉxÉ cè* +ÉÉVÉ {ÉÚ®ä AàÉAãÉAWÉ ÉÊ®VÉÉ<xÉ BÉE® MɪÉä cé* Ministers are not going to their
offices. +ÉÉVÉ º]ä] MÉ´ÉxÉÇàÉå] BÉEÉ {É Ú®É º]Éì{ÉE {ÉäxÉ bÉ=xÉ BÉE®BÉEä ´ÉcÉÆ BÉÖEU £ÉÉÒ xÉcÉ Ó BÉE® ®cÉ cè, ¤ÉSSÉä, É Ê´ÉtÉÉlÉÉÔ
ºBÉÚEãÉ xÉcÉÓ VÉÉ ®cä cé +ÉÉè® BÉEÉ ä<Ç xÉÉèBÉE®É Ò xÉcÉÓ BÉE® ®cÉ cè* ´ÉcÉÆ ºÉ¤É +ɺiÉ-BªÉºiÉ cÉä MɪÉÉ cè, ´ÉcÉ Æ BÉEÉ Ò {É Ú®ÉÒ
BªÉ´ÉºlÉÉ ºlÉÉÊMÉiÉ cÉä MɪÉÉÒ cè* ªÉcÉÆ {É® £ÉÉÒ ÉÊ®VÉÉ<xÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ, càÉå £ÉÉÒ É Ê®VÉÉ<xÉ näxÉÉ SÉÉÉ ÊcA, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ +ÉMÉ® àÉé £ÉÉÒ
ÉÊ®VÉÉ<xÉ näiÉÉ, +ÉMÉ® àÉä®É ªÉc £ÉÉ<Ç £ÉÉÒ É Ê®VÉÉ<xÉ näiÉÉ iÉÉä ªÉcÉÆ iÉ äãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉ Ò ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉE®xÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ BÉEÉ ä<Ç £ÉÉ Ò xÉcÉÓ
cÉ äiÉÉ, ªÉcÉÆ BÉEÉ ä<Ç £ÉÉ Ò ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉE®xÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ xÉcÉ Ó ®c {ÉÉiÉÉ* BÉEÉä<Ç ãÉÉÒb® xÉcÉÓ cè, àÉé ªÉcÉÆ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉE°ô ÆMÉÉ* àÉé cÖBÉÚEàÉiÉ BÉEä
ÉÊJÉãÉÉ{ÉE xÉcÉÓ VÉÉ>óÆMÉÉ* I will not defy my Leader. I will not challenge the authority of
my Leader. I am a loyalist because she gave me birth in politics.
Madam, as she said, it was a birthday gift given by Shrimati Sonia Gandhi
on 9th December, 2009. It was really a birthday gift to the people of Telengana.
Once she has given the birthday gift, she will not take it back. It is true that once
she commits or promises, she will abide by that. The only thing is that certain
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Ghulam Nabi Azad is our Leader. He has already started consultations. He is
trying to find out a solution. As soon as the discussions are over, definitely the Bill
is to be placed in the House.
(c2/1310/brv-hcb)
And, it should be placed in the House. àÉcÉänªÉÉ, cèn®É¤ÉÉn BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉ å ªÉä ãÉÉäMÉ {ÉÚUiÉä cé* iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ
näxÉÉ cè iÉÉ ä nÉä xÉcÉ Ó iÉÉä iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉä ªÉÚÉ ÊxɪÉxÉ ]èÉÊ®]®ÉÒ ªÉÉ BÉEÉìàÉxÉ ]èÉÊ®]®ÉÒ ¤ÉxÉÉ+ÉÉä* càÉÉ®ä £ÉÉ<Ç AäºÉÉ ¤ÉÉäãÉiÉ ä cé*
BÉEãÉ ºÉÖ¤Éc cèn®É¤ÉÉn BÉEÉä c]ÉBÉE® iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ nä nÉä iÉÉ ä they will agree. ...(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ : +É¤É +ÉÉ{É ¤ÉèÉÊ~ªÉä* +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä É ÊBÉEiÉxÉÉÒ nä® ¤ÉÉäãÉ ÉÊãɪÉÉ* +É¤É ºÉ´ÉÉãÉ {ÉÚÉ ÊUªÉä +ÉÉè® ¤ÉèÉÊ~ªÉ ä*
gÉÉÒ ºÉ´Éæ ºÉiªÉxÉɮɪÉhÉ (àÉãBÉEÉVÉÉÊMÉÉÊ®): cèn®É¤ÉÉn É ÊBÉEºÉÉ Ò BÉEÉÒ VÉÉMÉÉÒ® xÉcÉ Ó cè* cèn®É¤ÉÉn càÉÉ®ä Éʺɮ BÉEä ºÉàÉÉxÉ cè*
Éʺɮ BÉEä ºÉÉlÉ JÉÉãÉÉÒ cÉlÉ nä nåMÉä +ÉÉ è® ¤ÉÉìbÉÒ =vÉ® nä nåMÉä +ÉÉè® BÉEcåMÉä É ÊBÉE iÉ äãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ ãÉä ãÉÉä, AäºÉÉ xÉcÉÓ cÉäiÉÉ cè*
Nothing more and nothing less. iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ cÉäMÉÉ iÉÉä cèn®É¤ÉÉn BÉEä ºÉÉlÉ nºÉ ÉÊVÉãÉÉå BÉEÉ iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ cÉäMÉÉ,
Nothing more and nothing less.
àÉcÉänªÉÉ, càÉÉ®ä cÉäàÉ ÉÊàÉÉÊxɺ]® ºÉÉc¤É xÉ ä ABÉE º]ä]àÉé] àÉ å +É£ÉÉÒ-+É£ÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉäãÉÉ cè gÉÉÒBÉ ßE−hÉ BÉEàÉä]ÉÒ BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä
àÉå* The Sri Krishna Committee was appointed with reference to the demand for a
separate State of Telangana as well as the demand for maintaining the present
status as the united Andhra Pradesh. ªÉÉ iÉÉä iÉ äãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ ¤ÉÉäãÉÉä ªÉÉ +ÉÉ ÆwÉ |Énä¶É ¤ÉÉäãÉÉä, <ºÉBÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉå
BÉEàÉä]ÉÒ bÉãÉÉÒ cè* Of course, the Sri Krishna Committee is not the Supreme Court for us,
the Telangana people. Their findings are not binding on us. Even we ignore the
Government also. ´Éc iÉÉ ä càÉ BÉESÉ®ä BÉE ä ÉÊb¤¤Éä àÉå bÉãÉåMÉä* <ºÉÉÊãÉA bÉãÉåMÉä BÉDªÉÉåÉÊBÉE +É£ÉÉ Ò-+É£ÉÉÒ àÉÉãÉÚàÉ cÖ+ÉÉ
cè É ÊBÉE iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEä ºÉÉlÉ É ÊBÉEiÉxÉÉ Ò ºÉÉÉ ÊVÉ¶É cÖ<Ç cè* <xÉ ãÉÉäMÉÉ å BÉEä {ÉÉäÉÊãÉÉÊ]BÉEãÉ <Æ]®º] cé, ªÉä ãÉÉäMÉ VÉÉä
{ÉÉ äÉ ÊãÉ]ÉÒÉʶɪÉxºÉ xÉcÉÓ cÉäiÉä, AäºÉ ä ãÉÉ äMÉÉå xÉ ä ªÉc É Ê®{ÉÉä]Ç É ÊãÉJÉÉÒ cè, <ºÉÉ ÊãÉA càÉ =ºÉ ä xÉcÉÓ àÉÉxÉiÉä* ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ <ºÉ
º]ä]àÉå] àÉå BÉEä´ÉãÉ nÉä {ÉÉì<Æ] {ÉÚUä MÉA cé ÉÊBÉE cÉÄ ªÉÉ xÉÉ ¤ÉÉäãÉÉ ä iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEä ÉÊãÉA* iÉÉä =xcÉåxÉä U& {ÉÉ ì<Æ]弃 ÉÊnªÉ ä*
AäºÉÉ £ÉÉÒ BÉE®Éä, ´ÉèºÉÉ £ÉÉ Ò BÉE®É ä, AäºÉÉ BÉE®Éä, ´ÉèºÉÉ BÉE®Éä, <iÉxÉÉ ¤ÉÉ äãÉxÉä BÉEÉ Ò BÉDªÉÉ WÉ°ô®iÉ lÉÉÒ? This itself is a
wrong statement. <ºÉÉÊãÉA càÉ <ºÉBÉEÉä ÉÊ®VÉèBÉD] BÉE®iÉä cé*...(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
Regarding deletion of Paragraph 14 (f), I think that issue is getting solved.
ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ <ºÉàÉå ÉÊSÉnà¤É®àÉ VÉÉÒ càÉÉ®ä ºÉÉlÉ ¤ÉcÖiÉ cÉÒ càÉnnÉ Ô BÉE®iÉ ä cé* iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉ å £ÉÉ Ò 9 ÉÊnºÉà¤É® BÉEä ¤ÉÉn
VÉÉä º]ä]àÉé] É ÊnªÉÉ lÉÉ, ºÉ¤É ãÉÉ äMÉÉå xÉä =xÉBÉEÉÒ MÉãÉiÉÉÒ {ÉBÉE½ÉÒ lÉÉÒ* =xcÉåxÉä BÉEcÉ É ÊBÉE ÉÊSÉnà¤É®àÉ ºÉÉc¤É BÉEèºÉÉ
Comment: cd. by c2
Comment: Sarvey cd 05.08.2011 Uncorrected / Not for Publication
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®ÉiÉÉå®ÉiÉ AäºÉÉ ¤ÉÉäãÉ ä* ãÉ äÉ ÊBÉExÉ ´Éä ºÉ®BÉEÉ® BÉEÉÒ iÉ®{ÉE ºÉä ¤ÉÉäãÉä* Our appreciation and our thanks are
there to Shri Chidambaram. ãÉäÉ ÊBÉExÉ ABÉE ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉ DªÉÉ cÖ<Ç 14(A{ÉE) àÉå, He is clearly
mentioning that the Central Government will reiterate the State Assembly to get it
passed again. ABÉE ¤ÉÉ® AºÉèà¤ÉãÉÉÒ àÉå 14(A{ÉE) BÉEä ÉÊbãÉÉÒ¶ÉxÉ BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉå {ÉÉºÉ cÉ ä MɪÉÉ iÉÉä ABÉE ¤ÉÉ® É Ê{ÉE®
ÉÊ®WÉÉìãªÉÚ¶ÉxÉ {ÉÉºÉ BÉE®xÉä BÉEÉ Ò BÉDªÉÉ WÉ°ô®iÉ cè? ªÉc BÉExÉ{É DªÉÚÉËWÉMÉ º]ä]àÉé] ®cxÉä BÉEÉÒ ´ÉVÉc ºÉä ¤ÉSSÉ ä àÉ® ®cä cé*
<ºÉÉÒÉÊãÉA càÉ ãÉÉäMÉ AÉÊVÉ]ä] BÉE® ®cä cé* AäºÉÉÒ SÉÉÒWÉå xÉcÉÓ cÉäxÉÉ Ò SÉÉÉÊcA* Now, this matter is settled.
No doubt, it is going to help us. ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ 14(A{ÉE) ºÉä xÉcÉÓ cÉäMÉÉ* ªÉÉxÉÉ Ò ´Éc BÉEÉä<Ç nÚºÉ®ä ®ÉÒVÉxÉãÉ
¤ÉÉ äbÂWÉ Ç ãÉMÉÉxÉ ä ºÉ ä, ªÉÉ BÉEÉä<Ç BÉEàÉÉÒ¶ÉxÉ +É{ÉÉ ì<Æ] BÉE®BÉE ä {ÉEÆbÂWÉ näxÉä ºÉä iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉä xªÉÉªÉ xÉcÉÓ ÉÊàÉãÉäMÉÉ* iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ
BÉEÉä ÉʺÉ{ÉE Ç ºÉ è{É®ä] º]ä] näxÉä ºÉä cÉÒ xªÉÉªÉ ÉÊàÉãÉäMÉÉ* <ºÉºÉä c]BÉE® BÉÖEU £ÉÉÒ càÉÉ®ä ãÉÉäMÉ xÉcÉÓ àÉÉxÉåMÉä* <ºÉÉ ÊãÉA càÉå
iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ ®ÉVªÉ <ºÉ iÉ®ÉÒBÉE ä ºÉ ä näxÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA* “The process on Telangana will be initiated and
an appropriate Resolution will be moved in the House, and almost all the cases
that are being booked against the students will be withdrawn...” - <ºÉ |ÉBÉEÉ® ºÉä cÉäàÉ
ÉÊàÉÉÊxɺ]® ºÉÉc¤É xÉä 9 ÉÊnºÉà¤É® BÉEÉä VÉÉä º]ä]àÉé] É ÊnªÉÉ cè, +ÉÉè® 10 iÉÉ®ÉÒJÉ BÉEÉä ºÉƺÉn BÉE ä nÉäxÉÉ å ºÉnxÉÉå àÉå º]ä]àÉé]
ÉÊnªÉÉ cè, =ºÉàÉå BÉ DªÉÉ cè? ´Éc àÉä®ä É ÊcºÉÉ¤É ºÉä =iÉxÉÉ º]ÅÉÄMÉ º]ä]àÉ é] xÉcÉÓ cè* By when will you initiate
and when will you complete it? There is no time-bound programme in that. An
Appropriate Resolution should be moved. It is not necessary that it should be
approved with a majority. It is not necessary that it should be approved
unanimously. It is sufficient if it is placed in the House and discussed. ªÉc ¤ÉÉiÉ cè*
+ÉÉè® ABÉE ¤ÉÉiÉ cè =ºÉ º]ä]àÉå] àÉå* “All the cases that are being booked against the students
who participated in the agitation will be withdrawn…” - ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ +ÉÉVÉ iÉBÉE ÉÊ´ÉnbÅÉ xÉcÉÓ
cÖ+ÉÉ cè, we are very sorry to say that. ´Éc £ÉÉÒ BÉE®xÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA, 14(A{ÉE) £ÉÉÒ c]ÉxÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA, iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ
º]ä] cÉäxÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA*
+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ : +É¤É +ÉÉ{É +É{ÉxÉÉ Ò ¤ÉÉiÉ ºÉàÉÉ{iÉ BÉEÉÊ®ªÉä*
gÉÉÒ ºÉ´Éæ ºÉiªÉxÉɮɪÉhÉ (àÉãBÉEÉVÉÉÊMÉÉÊ®): àÉé ºÉàÉÉ{iÉ BÉE® ®cÉ cÚÄ* {ÉEiÉ=ãÉ +ÉãÉÉÒ BÉEàÉÉÒ¶ÉxÉ BÉEÉ Ò ¤ÉÉiÉ àÉ èbàÉ xÉä ¤ÉÉäãÉÉÒ,
´Éc ºÉcÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ cè* iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ àÉ å +ÉMÉ® <ãÉèBÉD¶ÉxÉ ãÉMÉÉ+ÉÉä iÉÉä iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ º]ä] BÉEä ]Ú-lÉbÇ àÉäVÉÉÉÊ®]ÉÒ +ÉÉ ì{ÉE AàÉAãÉAWÉ
+ÉMÉ® àÉÉxÉiÉ ä cé àÉVÉ Ç® BÉEä ÉÊãÉA iÉÉä +ÉÉ ÆwÉ |Énä¶É º]ä] ÉʵÉEªÉä] BÉE®Éä, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ {ÉEWÉãÉ +ÉãÉÉ Ò BÉEàÉÉÒ¶ÉxÉ BÉEÉ ä =xÉ ãÉÉäMÉÉå
xÉä, who are at the helm of affairs, they have ignored and they have formed the State. 05.08.2011 Uncorrected / Not for Publication
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ABÉE ¤ÉÉiÉ +ÉÉè® BÉEciÉä céè ÉÊBÉE ºÉèBÉE äxb AºÉ+ÉÉ®ºÉÉÒ ¤ÉxÉÉBÉE® nä¶É àÉå ÉÊVÉiÉxÉä UÉä]ä-UÉä]ä º]ä]弃 cé, ºÉ¤É ãÉÉäMÉÉå BÉEÉÒ
¤ÉÉiÉ ºÉÖxÉåMÉä +ÉÉè® cÉä ºÉBÉEÉ iÉÉ ä =ºÉàÉå iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉ ä VÉÉä½ nåMÉä*
(d2/1315/mm/spr)
=ºÉàÉå iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ VÉÉä½ nåMÉä* It is clearly a message of opening Pandora’s Box. ªÉc ABÉE BÉDãÉÉҪɮ
àÉèºÉ äVÉ VÉÉAMÉÉ, ÉÊVɺÉàÉå iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ ¤ÉxÉÉxÉ ä BÉEä ÉÊãÉA ºÉèÉ ËBÉEb AºÉ+ÉÉ®ºÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉäãÉxÉÉ VÉ èºÉä {É ébÉ ä®É ¤ÉÉìBÉDºÉ BÉEÉä +ÉÉä{ÉxÉ
BÉE®xÉÉ* ªÉc ¤ÉÉiÉ ºÉ®BÉEÉ®, ºÉÉäÉÊxɪÉÉ VÉÉÒ, |ÉvÉÉxÉàÉ ÆjÉÉÒ ªÉÉ ªÉÚÉÊxɪÉxÉ BÉEÉ=ÆÉʺÉãÉ +ÉÉ{ÉE ÉÊàÉÉÊxɺ]ºÉÇ xÉcÉÓ ¤ÉÉäãÉ ®cä cé*
ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ ªÉc ¤ÉÉiÉ =ºÉ ºÉàÉªÉ +ÉÉ<Ç* In UPCC, there was an unanimous resolution passed for
trifurcation of the State of Uttar Pradesh into three. This is the resolution of the
Congress Working Committee. BÉEÉÆOÉäºÉ ´ÉÉÍBÉEMÉ BÉEàÉä]É Ò BÉEÉ ®èWÉÉäãªÉÚ¶ÉxÉ lÉÉ, <ºÉÉÊãÉA ºÉèÉËBÉEb
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“I have had the matter examined. The Government of India is of
the view that regional disparities in economic development can
be tackled through planning and efficient use of available
resources. The Government, therefore, do not propose creation
of separate State of Telangana.”
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MADAM SPEAKER: You made it into a debate. It is a `Calling Attention’ of the
Minister.
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MADAM SPEAKER: All right. This will not go on record.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
MADAM SPEAKER: Dr. K.S. Rao.
Nothing else will go on record except what Dr. K.S. Rao is saying.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam, I sincerely thank you for giving me an
opportunity to tell the fact prevailing in Andhra Pradesh. I am particularly
requested to, because only people who are supporting the demand for a separate
State of Telangana….. … (Interruptions)
gÉÉÒàÉiÉÉÒ ºÉÖ−ÉàÉÉ º´É®ÉVÉ (ÉÊ´ÉÉÊn¶ÉÉ): àÉcÉänªÉÉ, BÉDªÉÉ <xÉBÉEä nÉä ãÉÉäMÉ ¤ÉÉ äãÉåMÉä?
MADAM SPEAKER: I have my own special discretion and I have allowed him.
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Only because the responsible Leader of the Opposition
representing the whole country, and a major opposition party has raised this issue,
I had to speak today. If it were to be a Member of Parliament from Telangana, I
would not have bothered so much about it because by virtue of his being from
Telangana, naturally, they would like to say so. I have no objection on that. Here,
I will quote some of the points mentioned by our Opposition Leader.
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(e2/1320/ksp/rv)
Hon. Sushmaji was telling that some Congress leader, in a public campaign
during the election in 2004, said that they will give a separate Telangana State.
She also says that it is mentioned in the Common Minimum Programme and also
she said that it is mentioned in the President’s Address. I want to make a statement
here that nowhere a separate Telangana State was promised. But on many of the
occasions, it is said … (Interruptions) I am talking about what hon. Leader of the
Opposition has said. Nowhere is it mentioned categorically that a separate
Telangana State will be created. But it did mention that the difficulties and the
conditions prevailing in Telangana will be considered. If there are any regional
differences in the development and if there are any grievances regarding
employment, education, health care, they will definitely go into the details and
address all those things. If necessary, the Government of India may ultimately
decide to give a separate Telangana State for which we will not have any objection.
But the point here is that the hon. Leader of the Opposition is finding fault
with the Congress Party. Let me quote what her party said. In their Plenary
Session in Kakinada in 1998, your whole party said, ‘one vote, two States’. They
said that if one vote is given to the BJP and its supporting party, they will give two
States. That means, they will divide Andhra Pradesh into two States immediately.
She is the leader here, though she might not have been present there on that day.
But who was responsible for it? Immediately after 1998, when they came to power
they forgot that and the excuse they gave was that the TDP was not willing and so
we will not give a separate Telangana State. … (Interruptions) This is the letter
which Shri Sarvey Satyanarayana has quoted. … (Interruptions) Now a
responsible party with no representation from Andhra Pradesh in Lok Sabha today,
they are pleading about the conditions prevailing in Andhra Pradesh. How pathetic
is this? … (Interruptions) They do not even have one MP from Andhra
Pradesh. … (Interruptions) Let them go and fight the election there
independently. … (Interruptions)
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MADAM SPEAKER: Satyanarayanaji, why are you standing? Please take your
seat.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except what Dr. K.S. Rao is
saying.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
MADAM SPEAKER: Satyanarayanaji, please take your seat.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam Speaker, Sushma Swarajji raised this issue
pertaining to Andhra Pradesh where not only they do not have any representation
in Parliament, but they will not get even 2 per cent of the vote in Andhra Pradesh
if they were to go alone in the election. They must either associate themselves
with the Congress or TDP or some other party. Otherwise, there is no existence of
BJP in Andhra Pradesh and they are now pleading for a separate Telangana
State. … (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Ganesh Singhji, why are you standing? Please take your
seat.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam, Srikrishna Commission was appointed by the
Government of India… (Interruptions)
(f2/1325/rcp/mkg)
Srikrishna Commission was appointed by the Government of India with the
consent of all the parties of Andhra Pradesh. Every one of us had agreed that we
will abide… (Interruptions)
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…(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
MADAM SPEAKER: I have given him a chance to speak; let him speak.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Nothing else will go on record.
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(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): I will limit my expression on the BJP; no more on BJP.
My point here is this. A major opposition party… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Nothing else will go on record except what K.S. Rao ji is
saying.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
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DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Nobody else is asking the question; he has to ask the
question.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Okay, I will leave it. I will not touch over BJP. Now
let me say about the position in Andhra Pradesh.… (Interruptions)
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…(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam, Telangana agitation is a golden history. It was
started by discontented politicians be it Congress or be it some other Party.…
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Dr. K.S. Rao ji, you ask your question.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: I am asking him to ask the question.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Andhra Pradesh was formed not because the people of
Rayalaseema, of coastal region wanted it. … (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Dr. K.S. Rao ji, you ask your question.
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DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): It is the Telangana leaders sacrificing the position of
their Chief Ministership. Dr. Burgula Ramakrishna resigned as Chief Minister,
passed a resolution with more than 2/3rd majority asking Andhra region to join and
make Vishalandhra… (Interruptions) But the discussion went on in
Parliament. … (Interruptions)
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MADAM SPEAKER: Will you ask the question, Mr. Rao?
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please ask the question.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam, 2/3rd of the Assembly of Telangana, of
Hyderabad had approved this.… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: You please take your seat.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam, you must hear me also. You permitted them
so much today.
(g2/1330/rp-cp)
My point here is this. I am also the people’s representative.… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Hon. Minister.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please take your seats.
… (Interruptions)
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MADAM SPEAKER: Please sit down. You also sit down.
… (Interruptions)
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…(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please sit down. This was the Calling Attention and I
think all the hon. Members who had listed have spoken. I request the hon.
Minister to reply.
… (Interruptions)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Your name is not here.… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please sit down. Let the reply come.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Only the statement of the hon. Minister will go on record.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Your name is not here. Please sit down.
MADAM SPEAKER: Please sit down; the hon. Minister is speaking.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Nothing will go in record except what the hon. Minister is
saying.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Madam Speaker, I rise with a sense of sadness that
this Calling Attention Motion has become, as I fear, into a very divisive debate.
Please understand that there are a very large number of people in Andhra
Pradesh who are divided on this issue and nothing should be said and done in the
Parliament that will only inflame passions there.
My effort from the very beginning has been to tell the leaders of Andhra
Pradesh that the solution to the problem which has arisen – demand for Telangana
on the one side and the demand for maintaining a united Andhra Pradesh on the
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people of Andhra Pradesh and the Government of India can only facilitate the
solution. That has been my approach.
(h2/1335/lh-raj)
In fact, those who attended the All-Party meeting on the 5th of January,
2010 and the All-Party meeting on the 6th of January, 2011 will know – I said this
repeatedly – that Parliament can only facilitate a solution, the Government can
only facilitate a solution, the solution must really come from the people of Andhra
Pradesh.
Madam, there is indeed a long history. That history is well known to
everyone. The hon. Leader of the Opposition, in her wisdom, referred to that
history. I am not quarrelling with her recounting the history. But the fact remains
that while there is an old history there is also a recent history. She referred to the
Report of the States Reorganisation Commission, the Gentlemen’s Agreement of
1956, the amendment to Article 371 (1) of the Constitution, the six-point formula
of 1973, the introduction of Article 371 (d), and the elections to the State
Assembly in May, 2009. All this is a part of that long history. But there is also a
more recent history. Unless one looks at those events, it will be difficult to
understand why the Government of India is proceeding with great care and caution.
As recently as December 7, 2009, there was a Business Advisory
Committee meeting followed by an All-Party meeting in Hyderabad. It is based
on the minutes of those meetings that the Government of India, through me, made
an announcement on December 9. I sincerely hope that no one is so naïve as to
believe that an individual could have made that announcement without a decision
by the Government or without a decision by the leaders of the Government. But
shortly after that statement was made on December 9, the situation at the ground
altered. That is an undeniable fact. The principal political party in Andhra Pradesh
and the principal Opposition party in Andhra Pradesh divided.
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I did not divide them. No one in this House wishes them to be divided but
the fact is that they divided. And when they divided, the Government of India was
obliged to take notice of that fact. … (Interruptions)
SHRI M. VENUGOPALA REDDY (NARASARAOPET): Including your
Party. … (Interruptions)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I said so. Did I not say that? I said the Ruling Party
in Andhra Pradesh and the principal Opposition Party in Andhra Pradesh. None of
us wanted them to be divided. When they divided, we had to take note of the
altered situation and then we made a statement on December 23. After that, the
Srikrishna Committee was appointed.
Now, I do not think that in our anxiety to score a point over an imaginary
adversary or a real adversary we should run down a distinguished Judge like Mr.
Justice Srikrishna. Of course, the Committee consulted everyone. The Committee
consulted the Finance Minister as the Committee is bound to. The Committee
consulted me. The Committee consulted everyone. But we did not tell them what
they should put in the Report. That is not the business of the Ministers of the
Government to tell a Committee “do this or do that or write this or write that”. If
they wrote a Report, they are the authors of the Report and they take responsibility
for what they write in the Report.
But in our anxiety or in a situation of inflame passions I respectfully submit
that we should not run down a distinguished Judge like Mr. Justice Srikrishna who
has served this country with great distinction for many years. What has he done?
He has adhered to the Terms of Reference. The Terms of Reference did require
the Srikrishna Committee to explore the options that are available in order to find
a way forward. In his wisdom, the Committee’s wisdom, they have explored the
options, they have given six options. It is for us, the political parties which are
represented in Andhra Pradesh and with the support of political parties in other
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House. And that is precisely what I am trying to do in the Government and what
my colleague, Shri Azad is trying to do in our Party.
(j2/1340/kkd/nsh)
I am sure each one in your party has also got a person responsible in your
party to find a solution. This is nothing unusual in party based democracy where
the Government does its work as Government, party leaders try to find a
consensus within their own parties. There is nothing unusual.
Therefore, my respectful submission is, let us not say or do anything that
will only – I have to borrow the words of my friends, Mr. Gurudas Dasgupta – add
fuel to the fire. The attempt must be to douse the flames, to douse the passions,
and let us try to find a solution.
Madam, this is the Call Attention. I have made a statement. I can be asked
to clarify my statement. But there are some things, which I cannot do; I cannot
clarify why the Justice Srikrishna Committee added the Chapter VIII and said,
‘this Chapter may be classified as secret’. How can I clarify that? I got a Report
in which one Chapter is marked as secret; it remains secret. Now, the matter is
being debated in the Andhra Pradesh High Court. A learned single Judge for
whom I have great respect, passed an Order but the Division Bench has stayed that
Order. Now, what can I clarify there? There is a Chapter, which is marked as
secret.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): Just one minute, please.
I did not ask you to clarify. My question was very specific – Is there any
Chapter by the name of Chapter VIII marked as secret?
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I am answering that … (Interruptions)
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): That you have admitted.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAN: I am answering that.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): I never asked you to clarify.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAN: Thank you.
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SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): My only question was : BÉ DªÉÉ gÉÉÒBÉßEhÉÉ
BÉEàÉä]ÉÒ àÉå ABÉE SÉ è{]® A] lÉÉ ºÉÉÒµÉEä] àÉÉBÉDbÇ lÉÉ?
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: There is. I am saying so.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA):This was precisely what he has
said.
MADAM SPEAKER: All right.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: There is a Chapter. It is marked ‘secret’. Whether it
should be made public or not, it is a matter, which is sub-judice in the Andhra
Pradesh High Court. A learned single Judge has pronounced an Order and the
Division Bench has stayed the operation of that Order. Therefore, that matter is
sub-judice. That is the best I can say.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): But the judgment is in public
domain.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Of course, it is. The judgment will be in the public
domain but the judgment is not operative. It is stayed.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): ‘That judgment is not operative’
means what? I am telling you. … (Interruptions)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: ‘The judgment is not operative’ is something, which
any lawyer knows… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Let him reply.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): What is the operative part? The
operative part is that you make it public within two weeks. That is the operative
and that has been stayed. That has been stayed na?
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sorry, Madam. ‘The judgment is not operative
means… (Interruptions) I will tell you what that means.
You have asked me a question; let me answer. ‘Judgment is not operative’
means the conclusion on the judgment and the reasons leading to the conclusion
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SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): But not the contents of the
judgment.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Who says? Nobody is erasing the content.…
(Interruptions)
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): I was reading from the contents of
the judgment.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Anyway, I agree.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): Mr. Home Minister, I was reading
from the contents of the judgment.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I agree Madam.
MADAM SPEAKER: Let him reply.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I agree Madam, my law may be rusty; I agree. But
this is how I understand the law… (Interruptions)
Kirti Azad, please. Kirti Azad, take law from me; I will take cricket from
you.… (Interruptions)
SHRI KIRTI AZAD (DARBHANGA): Do not take it from Dhoni, now…
(Interruptions)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: The conclusion of the judgment and the reasoning
leading to the conclusions are being reviewed by a Division Bench. The judgment
has been stayed.
Number two, Madam Speaker, a young boy comes to Delhi. It is reported
that there is a death. Police are investing it. It is suspected to be a case of suicide.
There is a suspicion that the note reportedly or allegedly written by him was in his
pocket. The matter is under investigation. Now, what can I clarify? Can I assert
like some have the confidence to assert that it is a note written by him or can I
assert that it is a note not written by him? Can I assert it is a genuine suicide note
or can I say it is not a genuine suicide note? Every death in such circumstances
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reasons, driven by whatever motive, by whatever passion, by whatever resentment,
or by whatever anger, if he commits suicide, it diminishes each one of us.
My sincere appeal is, let us all join and appeal to the youth of Andhra
Pradesh, please do not take these extreme steps while we debate it now.
Number three, the hon. Leader of the Opposition said: “Bring a Bill, we
will support.”
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): Yes.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Well, that is her party’s political position. I am not
quarreling with that political position. Her party has obviously changed its mind.
(k2/1345/mmn-rjs)
There is nothing wrong if people changed their minds.… (Interruptions) I
am not denying it. For example, the then Home Minister on the 1st of April 2002 in
response to a matter raised in the Lok Sabha said, “I have had the matter examined.
The Government of India is of the view that regional disparities and economic
development can be tackled through planning and efficient use of available
resources. The Government, therefore, do not propose creation of a separate State
of Telangana.” That was the position then. If they have changed their position,
that is their privilege. A political party can certainly change its position.…
(Interruptions)
Advani Ji, I am not saying anything wrong. All I am pointing out is that in
2002, the BJP had a position. In 2011, the Leader of the Opposition says the
Party’s position is different. Therefore, both are facts. I am not criticising you for
that. All I am saying is, as Government, we have to follow a particular process in
order to find the solution, and in that process, we will certainly take note of the
fact that notwithstanding the earlier position, the principal Opposition Party in the
Lok Sabha today maintains that Telangana should be created. This is a factor that
we will certainly take into account with the respect that it deserves.
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At the same time, I must also tell, Madam Speaker, that there are eight
recognised political parties in Andhra Pradesh. One of them, the PRP, has
announced that it will merge with the Congress. That makes it seven. But a new
party has arisen, known as YSR Congress. There are still eight parties represented
in the State Legislature.
Now, what is the position of these eight parties? Three parties, including
the BJP, are clearly for Telangana, TRS, his party, the CPI and the BJP. One Party,
the CPI(M), is opposed to the creation of Telangana. Three parties, and perhaps,
the eighth party—I say this with caution—have still not made a final decision. The
Congress Party has told me that they have not made up their mind finally. They
are still in the process of consultation.… (Interruptions)
The TDP is divided and they have told me, as the Party, the TDP, has not
taken a final decision. The YSR Congress, a new party, has not told us anything
about taking a final decision. In fact, according to my reports, in their Conference
which they held a month ago, they did not take a final decision. And, the MIM
told me that they would like to know the decision of the Congress Party and the
TDP before they make up their mind. So, there are four parties which have not
made up their mind. I told them I will call another all-Party meeting when all of
you are ready to come and give your views.
We called a meeting on the 5th of January, 2010. We called the meeting on
the 6th of January, 2011, and I said I am ready to call the meeting; please tell me
whether you have come to a final conclusion. But the fact is—this is what I want
the House to kindly understand—that there are, at least, four out of eight parties,
which have not yet reached a final conclusion. I envy a party which has already
made up its mind. I wish the other four parties will quickly make up their mind.
But the fact is, four parties have not yet made up their mind.… (Interruptions)
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Kindly complete the process of consultation quickly so that we can call a meeting
and we can take a decision based upon what they report to us at the meeting.
Madam, I do not think I have to say anything more. All I can do is, I would
urge all the political parties to kindly go through their process of consultation and
kindly come and tell us what they would like us to do. In the meanwhile, please,
for the sake of our own children, let me tell you that these are our children. These
boys and girls of Osmania University and Kakatiya University are our children.
These boys and girls, who are sometimes demonstrating in Hyderabad and
sometimes demonstrating in Vijayawada, are our children. Why should they die?
Why should they be injured in a lathi charge? Why should they suffer injuries?
My appeal is, please allow the process of consultation to be taken to its logical
conclusion.
(l2/1350/vr-rps)
It may take a few weeks, it may take a couple of months and it may take three
months. But, we must be patient. This involves the future of about 12 crore people
in Andhra Pradesh. There are many, many more Telugu-speaking people all over
the world, who are watching what is happening to their beloved State of Andhra
Pradesh. So, my appeal is, please allow the process of consultation to be taken to
its conclusion.
In the meanwhile, Madam Speaker, I sincerely appeal through you to the
people of Andhra Pradesh, especially the young men and women to maintain
peace and harmony until we come to a conclusion. Thank you.
(ends)
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(b2/1305/tkd-cs)
Telangana is an innocent baby. Being married to a mischievous boy, they should
live together for long and as much as they can. But if this innocent baby demands
a divorce, it should be granted. =ºÉ ÉÊnxÉ VÉ´ÉÉc® ãÉÉãÉ xÉäc°ô VÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉäãÉä cé +ÉÉè® +ÉÉVÉ =xÉBÉEÉÒ xÉ´ÉɺÉÉÒ,
+ÉÉVÉ =xÉBÉEÉÒ {ÉÉäiÉÉÒ ºÉÉäÉÊxɪÉÉ VÉÉÒ, càÉÉ®ÉÒ xÉ äiÉÉMÉhÉ, she is prepared to fulfil that commitment. She
understood that a lot of injustice has been done to the people of Telengana. They
are being treated as second class citizens of this country. They demand justice.
The development is not taking place there.… (Interruptions)
+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ : +ÉÉ{É |ɶxÉ {ÉÚÉÊUªÉä*
gÉÉÒ ºÉ´Éæ ºÉiªÉxÉɮɪÉhÉ (àÉãBÉEÉVÉÉÊMÉÉÊ®): càÉÉ®ä ¤ÉSSÉÉå BÉEä É ÊãÉA {ÉfÃÉ<Ç xÉcÉ Ó cè, càÉÉ®ä ¤ÉSSÉÉå BÉEä É ÊãÉA xÉÉèBÉEÉÊ®ªÉÉ Æ
xÉcÉÓ cé, càÉÉ®ä {ÉÉºÉ <Æbº]ÅÉÒ xÉcÉ Ó cè, càÉ +ÉÉè® £ÉÉÒ MÉ®É Ò¤É cé, <xxÉÉäºÉå] ãÉÉäMÉ cé, +ÉSUä ãÉÉäMÉ cé, càÉ c®-ABÉE BÉEÉä
àÉÉxÉiÉä cé, càÉÉ®ÉÒ BÉEɺàÉÉ ä{ÉÉìÉÊãÉ]äxÉ É ÊºÉSÉÖA¶ÉxÉ cè, càÉ ºÉ¤ÉBÉEÉä SÉÉciÉä cé* +ÉÉVÉ £ÉÉ Ò iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉE ä ÉʵÉEA¶ÉxÉ BÉEä ¤ÉÉn
£ÉÉÒ, we will allow everyone to stay in Telengana itself. We will not ask anybody to
go away from Telengana as KCR has said: ÞÞiÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ ´ÉÉãÉ ä VÉÉMÉÉä, +ÉÉxwÉÉ ´ÉÉãÉä £ÉÉMÉÉä*
Congress is not for the bhago slogan and we are not for bhago slogan. Everybody
should live. Why are we demanding Telengana? Telegana is for self-respect and
self-governance. The State wants a development. That is the reason we have been
demanding Telengana. A lot of people have laid down their lives. Even the hon.
Minister of Home Affairs has made the statement on 29th in both the Houses of
Parliament. Again, on 23rd there was a statement issued by the Government about
the people who have lost their lives. More than 600 people have lost their lives.
We are very sorry to say this. As Shrimati Sushmaji has rightly pointed out, one
person àÉcÉänªÉ, ´Éc ªÉÉbÉÒ ®äbÂbÉÒ 20 ºÉÉãÉ BÉEÉ ¤ÉSSÉÉ ÉÊVɺÉxÉä ªÉcÉ Æ +ÉÉBÉE® ºÉ ÖºÉÉ<b BÉE® ÉÊãɪÉÉ* {ÉÖÉÊãÉºÉ ´ÉÉãÉä,
xÉÉèBÉE®ÉÒ BÉE®xÉä ´ÉÉãÉä, BÉEÉ Æº]ä¤ÉãºÉ ¤ÉÉÒ´ÉÉÒ, ¤ÉSSÉÉå BÉEä ºÉÉàÉxÉä ¶É Ú] BÉE®BÉEä àÉ® MɪÉä ÉÊBÉE iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ xÉcÉ Ó +ÉɪÉäMÉÉ <ºÉÉÊãÉA
àÉé àÉ® ®cÉ cÚÆ* ãÉÉäMÉ <ºÉ iÉ®ÉÒBÉE ä ºÉä ºÉèµÉEÉ Ò{ÉEÉ<VÉ BÉE® ®cä cé* That was the reason in the last
Session we have created pandemonium here. We said, `yes, we will commit
suicide’ càÉ +É{ÉxÉ ä ¤ÉSSÉÉå BÉEÉä +ÉÉè® àÉ®iÉ ä xÉcÉÓ näJÉ åMÉä, iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ ãÉäBÉE® ®cåMÉä* As Bal Gangadhar Tilak
has said, “Swaraj is my birth right. I will have it”. Sarvey Satyanarayana and the
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Telangana people, SÉÉ® BÉE®Éä½ +ÉÉ´ÉÉàÉ +ÉÉVÉ ABÉE cÉÒ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉEcäMÉÉ ÉÊBÉE iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ càÉÉ®É ¤ÉlÉÇ ®É<] cè* We
will have it and we will take it. The creation of separate Telangana is imminent. It
should be given and nobody can oppose that. Shrimati Sonia Gandhi is our Leader.
She has made up her mind to give Telengana. That was the only reason.…
(Interruptions)
+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ : +ÉÉ{É |ɶxÉ {ÉÚÉÊUªÉä*
gÉÉÒ ºÉ´Éæ ºÉiªÉxÉɮɪÉhÉ (àÉãBÉEÉVÉÉÊMÉÉÊ®): àÉcÉ änªÉÉ, iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ àÉå ãÉÉ äMÉ àÉ® ®cä cé* iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉÒ SÉÉ® BÉE®Éä½ +ÉÉ´ÉÉàÉ
BÉEÉÒ iÉ®{ÉE ºÉä càÉÉ®ä AàÉ{ÉÉ ÒWÉ xÉ ä É Ê®VÉÉ<xÉ ÉÊBÉEªÉÉ iÉÉä +ÉÉ{É àÉÖZÉ ä ¤ÉÉäãÉxÉä BÉEÉ SÉÉÆºÉ nÉÒÉÊVÉA* àÉé ºÉÖ−ÉàÉÉ VÉÉÒ ÉÊVÉiÉxÉÉ
ºÉÉÒÉÊxɪɮ xÉcÉÓ cÚÆ, àÉé MÉÖ°ônÉºÉ nɺÉMÉÖ{iÉ VÉÉÒ £ÉÉÒ ÉÊVÉiÉxÉÉ ºÉÉ ÒÉ Êxɪɮ xÉcÉ Ó cÚÆ VÉÉä ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉE® ºÉBÉÚEÆ* Madam, I
must be in a position to give my presentation. +ÉÉVÉ ºÉÉ®É Ò nÖÉ ÊxɪÉÉ näJÉ ®cÉÒ cè ÉÊBÉE iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ àÉå
BÉDªÉÉ cÉäxÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ cè?
MADAM SPEAKER: I am giving you the chance. So, please ask your question.
gÉÉÒ ºÉ´Éæ ºÉiªÉxÉɮɪÉhÉ (àÉãBÉEÉVÉÉÊMÉÉÊ®): iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉ ä xªÉÉªÉ ÉÊàÉãÉäMÉÉ, iÉ äãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉä VÉÉ Îº]ºÉ É ÊàÉãÉäMÉÉ* BÉEÉ ÆOÉäºÉ
+ÉÉè® ªÉÚ{ÉÉ ÒA MÉ´ÉxÉ ÇàÉå] BÉEÉÒ iÉ®{ÉE ºÉä <ºÉàÉå ÉÊbãÉä cÉä ®cÉ cè, xÉÉ ä bÉ=], ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ <ƺÉÉ{ÉE VÉ°ô® É ÊàÉãÉäMÉÉ* =ºÉ
<ƺÉÉ{ÉE BÉE ä ´ÉɺiÉä càÉ ãɽ ®cä cé* MÉãÉiÉ º]ä]àÉå] +ÉÉxÉä BÉEÉÒ ´ÉVÉc ºÉä càÉÉ®ä ãÉÉäMÉ VÉÉxÉ nä ®cä cé +ÉÉè® <ºÉÉÒÉÊãÉA
ªÉc É ÊºÉSÉÖA¶ÉxÉ cè* +ÉÉVÉ {ÉÚ®ä AàÉAãÉAWÉ ÉÊ®VÉÉ<xÉ BÉE® MɪÉä cé* Ministers are not going to their
offices. +ÉÉVÉ º]ä] MÉ´ÉxÉÇàÉå] BÉEÉ {É Ú®É º]Éì{ÉE {ÉäxÉ bÉ=xÉ BÉE®BÉEä ´ÉcÉÆ BÉÖEU £ÉÉÒ xÉcÉ Ó BÉE® ®cÉ cè, ¤ÉSSÉä, É Ê´ÉtÉÉlÉÉÔ
ºBÉÚEãÉ xÉcÉÓ VÉÉ ®cä cé +ÉÉè® BÉEÉ ä<Ç xÉÉèBÉE®É Ò xÉcÉÓ BÉE® ®cÉ cè* ´ÉcÉÆ ºÉ¤É +ɺiÉ-BªÉºiÉ cÉä MɪÉÉ cè, ´ÉcÉ Æ BÉEÉ Ò {É Ú®ÉÒ
BªÉ´ÉºlÉÉ ºlÉÉÊMÉiÉ cÉä MɪÉÉÒ cè* ªÉcÉÆ {É® £ÉÉÒ ÉÊ®VÉÉ<xÉ ÉÊnªÉÉ, càÉå £ÉÉÒ É Ê®VÉÉ<xÉ näxÉÉ SÉÉÉ ÊcA, ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ +ÉMÉ® àÉé £ÉÉÒ
ÉÊ®VÉÉ<xÉ näiÉÉ, +ÉMÉ® àÉä®É ªÉc £ÉÉ<Ç £ÉÉÒ É Ê®VÉÉ<xÉ näiÉÉ iÉÉä ªÉcÉÆ iÉ äãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉ Ò ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉE®xÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ BÉEÉ ä<Ç £ÉÉ Ò xÉcÉÓ
cÉ äiÉÉ, ªÉcÉÆ BÉEÉ ä<Ç £ÉÉ Ò ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉE®xÉä ´ÉÉãÉÉ xÉcÉ Ó ®c {ÉÉiÉÉ* BÉEÉä<Ç ãÉÉÒb® xÉcÉÓ cè, àÉé ªÉcÉÆ ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉE°ô ÆMÉÉ* àÉé cÖBÉÚEàÉiÉ BÉEä
ÉÊJÉãÉÉ{ÉE xÉcÉÓ VÉÉ>óÆMÉÉ* I will not defy my Leader. I will not challenge the authority of
my Leader. I am a loyalist because she gave me birth in politics.
Madam, as she said, it was a birthday gift given by Shrimati Sonia Gandhi
on 9th December, 2009. It was really a birthday gift to the people of Telengana.
Once she has given the birthday gift, she will not take it back. It is true that once
she commits or promises, she will abide by that. The only thing is that certain
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Ghulam Nabi Azad is our Leader. He has already started consultations. He is
trying to find out a solution. As soon as the discussions are over, definitely the Bill
is to be placed in the House.
(c2/1310/brv-hcb)
And, it should be placed in the House. àÉcÉänªÉÉ, cèn®É¤ÉÉn BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉ å ªÉä ãÉÉäMÉ {ÉÚUiÉä cé* iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ
näxÉÉ cè iÉÉ ä nÉä xÉcÉ Ó iÉÉä iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉä ªÉÚÉ ÊxɪÉxÉ ]èÉÊ®]®ÉÒ ªÉÉ BÉEÉìàÉxÉ ]èÉÊ®]®ÉÒ ¤ÉxÉÉ+ÉÉä* càÉÉ®ä £ÉÉ<Ç AäºÉÉ ¤ÉÉäãÉiÉ ä cé*
BÉEãÉ ºÉÖ¤Éc cèn®É¤ÉÉn BÉEÉä c]ÉBÉE® iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ nä nÉä iÉÉ ä they will agree. ...(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ : +É¤É +ÉÉ{É ¤ÉèÉÊ~ªÉä* +ÉÉ{ÉxÉä É ÊBÉEiÉxÉÉÒ nä® ¤ÉÉäãÉ ÉÊãɪÉÉ* +É¤É ºÉ´ÉÉãÉ {ÉÚÉ ÊUªÉä +ÉÉè® ¤ÉèÉÊ~ªÉ ä*
gÉÉÒ ºÉ´Éæ ºÉiªÉxÉɮɪÉhÉ (àÉãBÉEÉVÉÉÊMÉÉÊ®): cèn®É¤ÉÉn É ÊBÉEºÉÉ Ò BÉEÉÒ VÉÉMÉÉÒ® xÉcÉ Ó cè* cèn®É¤ÉÉn càÉÉ®ä Éʺɮ BÉEä ºÉàÉÉxÉ cè*
Éʺɮ BÉEä ºÉÉlÉ JÉÉãÉÉÒ cÉlÉ nä nåMÉä +ÉÉ è® ¤ÉÉìbÉÒ =vÉ® nä nåMÉä +ÉÉè® BÉEcåMÉä É ÊBÉE iÉ äãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ ãÉä ãÉÉä, AäºÉÉ xÉcÉÓ cÉäiÉÉ cè*
Nothing more and nothing less. iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ cÉäMÉÉ iÉÉä cèn®É¤ÉÉn BÉEä ºÉÉlÉ nºÉ ÉÊVÉãÉÉå BÉEÉ iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ cÉäMÉÉ,
Nothing more and nothing less.
àÉcÉänªÉÉ, càÉÉ®ä cÉäàÉ ÉÊàÉÉÊxɺ]® ºÉÉc¤É xÉ ä ABÉE º]ä]àÉé] àÉ å +É£ÉÉÒ-+É£ÉÉÒ ¤ÉÉäãÉÉ cè gÉÉÒBÉ ßE−hÉ BÉEàÉä]ÉÒ BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä
àÉå* The Sri Krishna Committee was appointed with reference to the demand for a
separate State of Telangana as well as the demand for maintaining the present
status as the united Andhra Pradesh. ªÉÉ iÉÉä iÉ äãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ ¤ÉÉäãÉÉä ªÉÉ +ÉÉ ÆwÉ |Énä¶É ¤ÉÉäãÉÉä, <ºÉBÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉå
BÉEàÉä]ÉÒ bÉãÉÉÒ cè* Of course, the Sri Krishna Committee is not the Supreme Court for us,
the Telangana people. Their findings are not binding on us. Even we ignore the
Government also. ´Éc iÉÉ ä càÉ BÉESÉ®ä BÉE ä ÉÊb¤¤Éä àÉå bÉãÉåMÉä* <ºÉÉÊãÉA bÉãÉåMÉä BÉDªÉÉåÉÊBÉE +É£ÉÉ Ò-+É£ÉÉÒ àÉÉãÉÚàÉ cÖ+ÉÉ
cè É ÊBÉE iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEä ºÉÉlÉ É ÊBÉEiÉxÉÉ Ò ºÉÉÉ ÊVÉ¶É cÖ<Ç cè* <xÉ ãÉÉäMÉÉ å BÉEä {ÉÉäÉÊãÉÉÊ]BÉEãÉ <Æ]®º] cé, ªÉä ãÉÉäMÉ VÉÉä
{ÉÉ äÉ ÊãÉ]ÉÒÉʶɪÉxºÉ xÉcÉÓ cÉäiÉä, AäºÉ ä ãÉÉ äMÉÉå xÉ ä ªÉc É Ê®{ÉÉä]Ç É ÊãÉJÉÉÒ cè, <ºÉÉ ÊãÉA càÉ =ºÉ ä xÉcÉÓ àÉÉxÉiÉä* ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ <ºÉ
º]ä]àÉå] àÉå BÉEä´ÉãÉ nÉä {ÉÉì<Æ] {ÉÚUä MÉA cé ÉÊBÉE cÉÄ ªÉÉ xÉÉ ¤ÉÉäãÉÉ ä iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEä ÉÊãÉA* iÉÉä =xcÉåxÉä U& {ÉÉ ì<Æ]弃 ÉÊnªÉ ä*
AäºÉÉ £ÉÉÒ BÉE®Éä, ´ÉèºÉÉ £ÉÉ Ò BÉE®É ä, AäºÉÉ BÉE®Éä, ´ÉèºÉÉ BÉE®Éä, <iÉxÉÉ ¤ÉÉ äãÉxÉä BÉEÉ Ò BÉDªÉÉ WÉ°ô®iÉ lÉÉÒ? This itself is a
wrong statement. <ºÉÉÊãÉA càÉ <ºÉBÉEÉä ÉÊ®VÉèBÉD] BÉE®iÉä cé*...(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
Regarding deletion of Paragraph 14 (f), I think that issue is getting solved.
ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ <ºÉàÉå ÉÊSÉnà¤É®àÉ VÉÉÒ càÉÉ®ä ºÉÉlÉ ¤ÉcÖiÉ cÉÒ càÉnnÉ Ô BÉE®iÉ ä cé* iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉ å £ÉÉ Ò 9 ÉÊnºÉà¤É® BÉEä ¤ÉÉn
VÉÉä º]ä]àÉé] É ÊnªÉÉ lÉÉ, ºÉ¤É ãÉÉ äMÉÉå xÉä =xÉBÉEÉÒ MÉãÉiÉÉÒ {ÉBÉE½ÉÒ lÉÉÒ* =xcÉåxÉä BÉEcÉ É ÊBÉE ÉÊSÉnà¤É®àÉ ºÉÉc¤É BÉEèºÉÉ
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®ÉiÉÉå®ÉiÉ AäºÉÉ ¤ÉÉäãÉ ä* ãÉ äÉ ÊBÉExÉ ´Éä ºÉ®BÉEÉ® BÉEÉÒ iÉ®{ÉE ºÉä ¤ÉÉäãÉä* Our appreciation and our thanks are
there to Shri Chidambaram. ãÉäÉ ÊBÉExÉ ABÉE ¤ÉÉiÉ BÉ DªÉÉ cÖ<Ç 14(A{ÉE) àÉå, He is clearly
mentioning that the Central Government will reiterate the State Assembly to get it
passed again. ABÉE ¤ÉÉ® AºÉèà¤ÉãÉÉÒ àÉå 14(A{ÉE) BÉEä ÉÊbãÉÉÒ¶ÉxÉ BÉEä ¤ÉÉ®ä àÉå {ÉÉºÉ cÉ ä MɪÉÉ iÉÉä ABÉE ¤ÉÉ® É Ê{ÉE®
ÉÊ®WÉÉìãªÉÚ¶ÉxÉ {ÉÉºÉ BÉE®xÉä BÉEÉ Ò BÉDªÉÉ WÉ°ô®iÉ cè? ªÉc BÉExÉ{É DªÉÚÉËWÉMÉ º]ä]àÉé] ®cxÉä BÉEÉÒ ´ÉVÉc ºÉä ¤ÉSSÉ ä àÉ® ®cä cé*
<ºÉÉÒÉÊãÉA càÉ ãÉÉäMÉ AÉÊVÉ]ä] BÉE® ®cä cé* AäºÉÉÒ SÉÉÒWÉå xÉcÉÓ cÉäxÉÉ Ò SÉÉÉÊcA* Now, this matter is settled.
No doubt, it is going to help us. ãÉäÉÊBÉExÉ 14(A{ÉE) ºÉä xÉcÉÓ cÉäMÉÉ* ªÉÉxÉÉ Ò ´Éc BÉEÉä<Ç nÚºÉ®ä ®ÉÒVÉxÉãÉ
¤ÉÉ äbÂWÉ Ç ãÉMÉÉxÉ ä ºÉ ä, ªÉÉ BÉEÉä<Ç BÉEàÉÉÒ¶ÉxÉ +É{ÉÉ ì<Æ] BÉE®BÉE ä {ÉEÆbÂWÉ näxÉä ºÉä iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ BÉEÉä xªÉÉªÉ xÉcÉÓ ÉÊàÉãÉäMÉÉ* iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ
BÉEÉä ÉʺÉ{ÉE Ç ºÉ è{É®ä] º]ä] näxÉä ºÉä cÉÒ xªÉÉªÉ ÉÊàÉãÉäMÉÉ* <ºÉºÉä c]BÉE® BÉÖEU £ÉÉÒ càÉÉ®ä ãÉÉäMÉ xÉcÉÓ àÉÉxÉåMÉä* <ºÉÉ ÊãÉA càÉå
iÉäãÉÆMÉÉxÉÉ ®ÉVªÉ <ºÉ iÉ®ÉÒBÉE ä ºÉ ä näxÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA* “The process on Telangana will be initiated and
an appropriate Resolution will be moved in the House, and almost all the cases
that are being booked against the students will be withdrawn...” - <ºÉ |ÉBÉEÉ® ºÉä cÉäàÉ
ÉÊàÉÉÊxɺ]® ºÉÉc¤É xÉä 9 ÉÊnºÉà¤É® BÉEÉä VÉÉä º]ä]àÉé] É ÊnªÉÉ cè, +ÉÉè® 10 iÉÉ®ÉÒJÉ BÉEÉä ºÉƺÉn BÉE ä nÉäxÉÉ å ºÉnxÉÉå àÉå º]ä]àÉé]
ÉÊnªÉÉ cè, =ºÉàÉå BÉ DªÉÉ cè? ´Éc àÉä®ä É ÊcºÉÉ¤É ºÉä =iÉxÉÉ º]ÅÉÄMÉ º]ä]àÉ é] xÉcÉÓ cè* By when will you initiate
and when will you complete it? There is no time-bound programme in that. An
Appropriate Resolution should be moved. It is not necessary that it should be
approved with a majority. It is not necessary that it should be approved
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“I have had the matter examined. The Government of India is of
the view that regional disparities in economic development can
be tackled through planning and efficient use of available
resources. The Government, therefore, do not propose creation
of separate State of Telangana.”
Comment: Cd by d2
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MADAM SPEAKER: You made it into a debate. It is a `Calling Attention’ of the
Minister.
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(Interruptions) … (Not recorded) =xcÉåxÉä ¤ÉÉÒVÉ ä{ÉÉÒ BÉEÉä BÉEcÉ ÉÊBÉE iÉäãÉ ÆMÉÉxÉÉ xÉcÉÓ näxÉÉ SÉÉÉÊcA* <ºÉÉÊãÉA
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MADAM SPEAKER: All right. This will not go on record.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
MADAM SPEAKER: Dr. K.S. Rao.
Nothing else will go on record except what Dr. K.S. Rao is saying.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam, I sincerely thank you for giving me an
opportunity to tell the fact prevailing in Andhra Pradesh. I am particularly
requested to, because only people who are supporting the demand for a separate
State of Telangana….. … (Interruptions)
gÉÉÒàÉiÉÉÒ ºÉÖ−ÉàÉÉ º´É®ÉVÉ (ÉÊ´ÉÉÊn¶ÉÉ): àÉcÉänªÉÉ, BÉDªÉÉ <xÉBÉEä nÉä ãÉÉäMÉ ¤ÉÉ äãÉåMÉä?
MADAM SPEAKER: I have my own special discretion and I have allowed him.
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Only because the responsible Leader of the Opposition
representing the whole country, and a major opposition party has raised this issue,
I had to speak today. If it were to be a Member of Parliament from Telangana, I
would not have bothered so much about it because by virtue of his being from
Telangana, naturally, they would like to say so. I have no objection on that. Here,
I will quote some of the points mentioned by our Opposition Leader.
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(e2/1320/ksp/rv)
Hon. Sushmaji was telling that some Congress leader, in a public campaign
during the election in 2004, said that they will give a separate Telangana State.
She also says that it is mentioned in the Common Minimum Programme and also
she said that it is mentioned in the President’s Address. I want to make a statement
here that nowhere a separate Telangana State was promised. But on many of the
occasions, it is said … (Interruptions) I am talking about what hon. Leader of the
Opposition has said. Nowhere is it mentioned categorically that a separate
Telangana State will be created. But it did mention that the difficulties and the
conditions prevailing in Telangana will be considered. If there are any regional
differences in the development and if there are any grievances regarding
employment, education, health care, they will definitely go into the details and
address all those things. If necessary, the Government of India may ultimately
decide to give a separate Telangana State for which we will not have any objection.
But the point here is that the hon. Leader of the Opposition is finding fault
with the Congress Party. Let me quote what her party said. In their Plenary
Session in Kakinada in 1998, your whole party said, ‘one vote, two States’. They
said that if one vote is given to the BJP and its supporting party, they will give two
States. That means, they will divide Andhra Pradesh into two States immediately.
She is the leader here, though she might not have been present there on that day.
But who was responsible for it? Immediately after 1998, when they came to power
they forgot that and the excuse they gave was that the TDP was not willing and so
we will not give a separate Telangana State. … (Interruptions) This is the letter
which Shri Sarvey Satyanarayana has quoted. … (Interruptions) Now a
responsible party with no representation from Andhra Pradesh in Lok Sabha today,
they are pleading about the conditions prevailing in Andhra Pradesh. How pathetic
is this? … (Interruptions) They do not even have one MP from Andhra
Pradesh. … (Interruptions) Let them go and fight the election there
independently. … (Interruptions)
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MADAM SPEAKER: Satyanarayanaji, why are you standing? Please take your
seat.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except what Dr. K.S. Rao is
saying.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
MADAM SPEAKER: Satyanarayanaji, please take your seat.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam Speaker, Sushma Swarajji raised this issue
pertaining to Andhra Pradesh where not only they do not have any representation
in Parliament, but they will not get even 2 per cent of the vote in Andhra Pradesh
if they were to go alone in the election. They must either associate themselves
with the Congress or TDP or some other party. Otherwise, there is no existence of
BJP in Andhra Pradesh and they are now pleading for a separate Telangana
State. … (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Ganesh Singhji, why are you standing? Please take your
seat.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam, Srikrishna Commission was appointed by the
Government of India… (Interruptions)
(f2/1325/rcp/mkg)
Srikrishna Commission was appointed by the Government of India with the
consent of all the parties of Andhra Pradesh. Every one of us had agreed that we
will abide… (Interruptions)
+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ: ¤É è~ VÉÉ<ªÉä* ¤ÉèÉÊ~ªÉ ä*
…(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
MADAM SPEAKER: I have given him a chance to speak; let him speak.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Nothing else will go on record.
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(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): I will limit my expression on the BJP; no more on BJP.
My point here is this. A major opposition party… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Nothing else will go on record except what K.S. Rao ji is
saying.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
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…(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
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…(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Nobody else is asking the question; he has to ask the
question.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Okay, I will leave it. I will not touch over BJP. Now
let me say about the position in Andhra Pradesh.… (Interruptions)
+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ: +ÉÉ{É ÉÊ{ÉE® Jɽä cÉä MɪÉä, ¤Éè~ VÉÉ<ªÉä*
…(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam, Telangana agitation is a golden history. It was
started by discontented politicians be it Congress or be it some other Party.…
(Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Dr. K.S. Rao ji, you ask your question.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: I am asking him to ask the question.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Andhra Pradesh was formed not because the people of
Rayalaseema, of coastal region wanted it. … (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Dr. K.S. Rao ji, you ask your question.
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+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ: +ÉÉ{É ¤É è~åMÉ ä iÉÉä BÉE®åMÉ ä* +ÉÉ{É ¤Éè~åMÉä, iÉ£ÉÉ Ò BÉÖEU BÉE®åMÉä xÉ*
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): It is the Telangana leaders sacrificing the position of
their Chief Ministership. Dr. Burgula Ramakrishna resigned as Chief Minister,
passed a resolution with more than 2/3rd majority asking Andhra region to join and
make Vishalandhra… (Interruptions) But the discussion went on in
Parliament. … (Interruptions)
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…(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
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…(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
MADAM SPEAKER: Will you ask the question, Mr. Rao?
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please ask the question.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam, 2/3rd of the Assembly of Telangana, of
Hyderabad had approved this.… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: You please take your seat.
… (Interruptions)
DR. K.S. RAO (ELURU): Madam, you must hear me also. You permitted them
so much today.
(g2/1330/rp-cp)
My point here is this. I am also the people’s representative.… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Hon. Minister.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please take your seats.
… (Interruptions)
+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ : +ÉÉ{É ¤Éè~ VÉÉ<A*
…(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
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Comment: Dr. K.S. Rao cd. 05.08.2011 Uncorrected / Not for Publication
1808
MADAM SPEAKER: Please sit down. You also sit down.
… (Interruptions)
+ÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉÉ : +ÉÉ{É £ÉÉÒ ¤ÉèÉÊ~A*
…(´ªÉ´ÉvÉÉxÉ)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please sit down. This was the Calling Attention and I
think all the hon. Members who had listed have spoken. I request the hon.
Minister to reply.
… (Interruptions)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Your name is not here.… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Please sit down. Let the reply come.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Only the statement of the hon. Minister will go on record.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Your name is not here. Please sit down.
MADAM SPEAKER: Please sit down; the hon. Minister is speaking.
… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Nothing will go in record except what the hon. Minister is
saying.
(Interruptions) … (Not recorded)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Madam Speaker, I rise with a sense of sadness that
this Calling Attention Motion has become, as I fear, into a very divisive debate.
Please understand that there are a very large number of people in Andhra
Pradesh who are divided on this issue and nothing should be said and done in the
Parliament that will only inflame passions there.
My effort from the very beginning has been to tell the leaders of Andhra
Pradesh that the solution to the problem which has arisen – demand for Telangana
on the one side and the demand for maintaining a united Andhra Pradesh on the
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people of Andhra Pradesh and the Government of India can only facilitate the
solution. That has been my approach.
(h2/1335/lh-raj)
In fact, those who attended the All-Party meeting on the 5th of January,
2010 and the All-Party meeting on the 6th of January, 2011 will know – I said this
repeatedly – that Parliament can only facilitate a solution, the Government can
only facilitate a solution, the solution must really come from the people of Andhra
Pradesh.
Madam, there is indeed a long history. That history is well known to
everyone. The hon. Leader of the Opposition, in her wisdom, referred to that
history. I am not quarrelling with her recounting the history. But the fact remains
that while there is an old history there is also a recent history. She referred to the
Report of the States Reorganisation Commission, the Gentlemen’s Agreement of
1956, the amendment to Article 371 (1) of the Constitution, the six-point formula
of 1973, the introduction of Article 371 (d), and the elections to the State
Assembly in May, 2009. All this is a part of that long history. But there is also a
more recent history. Unless one looks at those events, it will be difficult to
understand why the Government of India is proceeding with great care and caution.
As recently as December 7, 2009, there was a Business Advisory
Committee meeting followed by an All-Party meeting in Hyderabad. It is based
on the minutes of those meetings that the Government of India, through me, made
an announcement on December 9. I sincerely hope that no one is so naïve as to
believe that an individual could have made that announcement without a decision
by the Government or without a decision by the leaders of the Government. But
shortly after that statement was made on December 9, the situation at the ground
altered. That is an undeniable fact. The principal political party in Andhra Pradesh
and the principal Opposition party in Andhra Pradesh divided.
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1810
I did not divide them. No one in this House wishes them to be divided but
the fact is that they divided. And when they divided, the Government of India was
obliged to take notice of that fact. … (Interruptions)
SHRI M. VENUGOPALA REDDY (NARASARAOPET): Including your
Party. … (Interruptions)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I said so. Did I not say that? I said the Ruling Party
in Andhra Pradesh and the principal Opposition Party in Andhra Pradesh. None of
us wanted them to be divided. When they divided, we had to take note of the
altered situation and then we made a statement on December 23. After that, the
Srikrishna Committee was appointed.
Now, I do not think that in our anxiety to score a point over an imaginary
adversary or a real adversary we should run down a distinguished Judge like Mr.
Justice Srikrishna. Of course, the Committee consulted everyone. The Committee
consulted the Finance Minister as the Committee is bound to. The Committee
consulted me. The Committee consulted everyone. But we did not tell them what
they should put in the Report. That is not the business of the Ministers of the
Government to tell a Committee “do this or do that or write this or write that”. If
they wrote a Report, they are the authors of the Report and they take responsibility
for what they write in the Report.
But in our anxiety or in a situation of inflame passions I respectfully submit
that we should not run down a distinguished Judge like Mr. Justice Srikrishna who
has served this country with great distinction for many years. What has he done?
He has adhered to the Terms of Reference. The Terms of Reference did require
the Srikrishna Committee to explore the options that are available in order to find
a way forward. In his wisdom, the Committee’s wisdom, they have explored the
options, they have given six options. It is for us, the political parties which are
represented in Andhra Pradesh and with the support of political parties in other
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House. And that is precisely what I am trying to do in the Government and what
my colleague, Shri Azad is trying to do in our Party.
(j2/1340/kkd/nsh)
I am sure each one in your party has also got a person responsible in your
party to find a solution. This is nothing unusual in party based democracy where
the Government does its work as Government, party leaders try to find a
consensus within their own parties. There is nothing unusual.
Therefore, my respectful submission is, let us not say or do anything that
will only – I have to borrow the words of my friends, Mr. Gurudas Dasgupta – add
fuel to the fire. The attempt must be to douse the flames, to douse the passions,
and let us try to find a solution.
Madam, this is the Call Attention. I have made a statement. I can be asked
to clarify my statement. But there are some things, which I cannot do; I cannot
clarify why the Justice Srikrishna Committee added the Chapter VIII and said,
‘this Chapter may be classified as secret’. How can I clarify that? I got a Report
in which one Chapter is marked as secret; it remains secret. Now, the matter is
being debated in the Andhra Pradesh High Court. A learned single Judge for
whom I have great respect, passed an Order but the Division Bench has stayed that
Order. Now, what can I clarify there? There is a Chapter, which is marked as
secret.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): Just one minute, please.
I did not ask you to clarify. My question was very specific – Is there any
Chapter by the name of Chapter VIII marked as secret?
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I am answering that … (Interruptions)
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): That you have admitted.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAN: I am answering that.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): I never asked you to clarify.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAN: Thank you.
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SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: There is. I am saying so.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA):This was precisely what he has
said.
MADAM SPEAKER: All right.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: There is a Chapter. It is marked ‘secret’. Whether it
should be made public or not, it is a matter, which is sub-judice in the Andhra
Pradesh High Court. A learned single Judge has pronounced an Order and the
Division Bench has stayed the operation of that Order. Therefore, that matter is
sub-judice. That is the best I can say.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): But the judgment is in public
domain.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Of course, it is. The judgment will be in the public
domain but the judgment is not operative. It is stayed.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): ‘That judgment is not operative’
means what? I am telling you. … (Interruptions)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: ‘The judgment is not operative’ is something, which
any lawyer knows… (Interruptions)
MADAM SPEAKER: Let him reply.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): What is the operative part? The
operative part is that you make it public within two weeks. That is the operative
and that has been stayed. That has been stayed na?
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Sorry, Madam. ‘The judgment is not operative
means… (Interruptions) I will tell you what that means.
You have asked me a question; let me answer. ‘Judgment is not operative’
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SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): But not the contents of the
judgment.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Who says? Nobody is erasing the content.…
(Interruptions)
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): I was reading from the contents of
the judgment.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Anyway, I agree.
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): Mr. Home Minister, I was reading
from the contents of the judgment.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I agree Madam.
MADAM SPEAKER: Let him reply.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I agree Madam, my law may be rusty; I agree. But
this is how I understand the law… (Interruptions)
Kirti Azad, please. Kirti Azad, take law from me; I will take cricket from
you.… (Interruptions)
SHRI KIRTI AZAD (DARBHANGA): Do not take it from Dhoni, now…
(Interruptions)
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: The conclusion of the judgment and the reasoning
leading to the conclusions are being reviewed by a Division Bench. The judgment
has been stayed.
Number two, Madam Speaker, a young boy comes to Delhi. It is reported
that there is a death. Police are investing it. It is suspected to be a case of suicide.
There is a suspicion that the note reportedly or allegedly written by him was in his
pocket. The matter is under investigation. Now, what can I clarify? Can I assert
like some have the confidence to assert that it is a note written by him or can I
assert that it is a note not written by him? Can I assert it is a genuine suicide note
or can I say it is not a genuine suicide note? Every death in such circumstances
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reasons, driven by whatever motive, by whatever passion, by whatever resentment,
or by whatever anger, if he commits suicide, it diminishes each one of us.
My sincere appeal is, let us all join and appeal to the youth of Andhra
Pradesh, please do not take these extreme steps while we debate it now.
Number three, the hon. Leader of the Opposition said: “Bring a Bill, we
will support.”
SHRIMATI SUSHMA SWARAJ (VIDISHA): Yes.
SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: Well, that is her party’s political position. I am not
quarreling with that political position. Her party has obviously changed its mind.
(k2/1345/mmn-rjs)
There is nothing wrong if people changed their minds.… (Interruptions) I
am not denying it. For example, the then Home Minister on the 1st of April 2002 in
response to a matter raised in the Lok Sabha said, “I have had the matter examined.
The Government of India is of the view that regional disparities and economic
development can be tackled through planning and efficient use of available
resources. The Government, therefore, do not propose creation of a separate State
of Telangana.” That was the position then. If they have changed their position,
that is their privilege. A political party can certainly change its position.…
(Interruptions)
Advani Ji, I am not saying anything wrong. All I am pointing out is that in
2002, the BJP had a position. In 2011, the Leader of the Opposition says the
Party’s position is different. Therefore, both are facts. I am not criticising you for
that. All I am saying is, as Government, we have to follow a particular process in
order to find the solution, and in that process, we will certainly take note of the
fact that notwithstanding the earlier position, the principal Opposition Party in the
Lok Sabha today maintains that Telangana should be created. This is a factor that
we will certainly take into account with the respect that it deserves.
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At the same time, I must also tell, Madam Speaker, that there are eight
recognised political parties in Andhra Pradesh. One of them, the PRP, has
announced that it will merge with the Congress. That makes it seven. But a new
party has arisen, known as YSR Congress. There are still eight parties represented
in the State Legislature.
Now, what is the position of these eight parties? Three parties, including
the BJP, are clearly for Telangana, TRS, his party, the CPI and the BJP. One Party,
the CPI(M), is opposed to the creation of Telangana. Three parties, and perhaps,
the eighth party—I say this with caution—have still not made a final decision. The
Congress Party has told me that they have not made up their mind finally. They
are still in the process of consultation.… (Interruptions)
The TDP is divided and they have told me, as the Party, the TDP, has not
taken a final decision. The YSR Congress, a new party, has not told us anything
about taking a final decision. In fact, according to my reports, in their Conference
which they held a month ago, they did not take a final decision. And, the MIM
told me that they would like to know the decision of the Congress Party and the
TDP before they make up their mind. So, there are four parties which have not
made up their mind. I told them I will call another all-Party meeting when all of
you are ready to come and give your views.
We called a meeting on the 5th of January, 2010. We called the meeting on
the 6th of January, 2011, and I said I am ready to call the meeting; please tell me
whether you have come to a final conclusion. But the fact is—this is what I want
the House to kindly understand—that there are, at least, four out of eight parties,
which have not yet reached a final conclusion. I envy a party which has already
made up its mind. I wish the other four parties will quickly make up their mind.
But the fact is, four parties have not yet made up their mind.… (Interruptions)
Please, this is a serious matter. And, we are urging the parties to kindly complete
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Kindly complete the process of consultation quickly so that we can call a meeting
and we can take a decision based upon what they report to us at the meeting.
Madam, I do not think I have to say anything more. All I can do is, I would
urge all the political parties to kindly go through their process of consultation and
kindly come and tell us what they would like us to do. In the meanwhile, please,
for the sake of our own children, let me tell you that these are our children. These
boys and girls of Osmania University and Kakatiya University are our children.
These boys and girls, who are sometimes demonstrating in Hyderabad and
sometimes demonstrating in Vijayawada, are our children. Why should they die?
Why should they be injured in a lathi charge? Why should they suffer injuries?
My appeal is, please allow the process of consultation to be taken to its logical
conclusion.
(l2/1350/vr-rps)
It may take a few weeks, it may take a couple of months and it may take three
months. But, we must be patient. This involves the future of about 12 crore people
in Andhra Pradesh. There are many, many more Telugu-speaking people all over
the world, who are watching what is happening to their beloved State of Andhra
Pradesh. So, my appeal is, please allow the process of consultation to be taken to
its conclusion.
In the meanwhile, Madam Speaker, I sincerely appeal through you to the
people of Andhra Pradesh, especially the young men and women to maintain
peace and harmony until we come to a conclusion. Thank you.
(ends)
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